Forums 🚦 HYOSUNG CULTURE 😃 General Chat 650 gtr won’t idle and misfiring
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♠️ MARCEL.
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Nov 30, 2024 at 6:19 AM #16620
Hi all, I have an 09 650 gtr. I bought it last week. Took it for a test and it ran great. It was Lo on fuel so I filled it up with premium. I was on my way home, rode for 30 klms or so. It lost power, started to backfire and wouldn’t idle. I put an injector cleaner through and still the same. It does run ok for 5 seconds after starting it, hot or cold. Even if you rev it and return to idle. The problem is that it doesn’t throw any codes. Help please. Cheers
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Nov 30, 2024 at 1:15 PM #16727
Hi all, I have an 09 650 gtr. I bought it last week. Took it for a test and it ran great. It was Lo on fuel so I filled it up with premium. I was on my way home, rode for 30 klms or so. It lost power, started to backfire and wouldn’t idle. I put an injector cleaner through and still the same. It does run ok for 5 seconds after starting it, hot or cold. Even if you rev it and return to idle. The problem is that it doesn’t throw any codes. When I turn on the ignition, should fuel spray from injectors?Help please. Cheers
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Nov 30, 2024 at 1:17 PM #16728
Check the voltage of the battery first if possible when it’s running
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Nov 30, 2024 at 1:42 PM #16729
Can you tell me what volts I should be getting?
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Nov 30, 2024 at 3:39 PM #16731
Turned off the battery wants to be 12.5 or so switched on no less than 11.9 with pump priming running ideally 14-14.5
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Nov 30, 2024 at 9:57 PM #16734
Ok will check today. So If it’s not charging properly will it affect how it runs?
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Dec 1, 2024 at 12:59 AM #16832
Ok will check today. Charging perfectly.
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Dec 1, 2024 at 7:24 AM #17042
With fuel injection if the voltage gets low the ECU will try to keep the main things running as long as it can which is why it will start to mess about, the fact the bike ran fine for a bit sounded like the battery was discharging so to me the first thing to check. Now it’s going to be a bit of detective work, it could be something as simple as a loose or damaged plug cap or coil or a sparkplug so that’s the next things to look at.
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Dec 1, 2024 at 12:16 PM #17155
Yeah it looks like it could take a while. So fingers crossed it isn’t costly just a connection. Does the spark plug gap need adjusting?
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Dec 1, 2024 at 1:33 PM #17177
Doubtful that it would just be the gap, it is almost 99.9% going to be a bad connection or a failed electrical component
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Dec 1, 2024 at 8:05 PM #17252
I’m sorry to repeat but If component is stuffed, should it throw a code?
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Dec 2, 2024 at 12:23 AM #17292
Should I have any flow through the injectors when I turn ignition on?
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Dec 2, 2024 at 5:45 AM #17311
If there’s no code it’s doubtful that it’s an injector, o2 sensor etc but a bad coil or sparkplug will not show up, the ECU is simply not that sophisticated the injectors don’t do anything when the ignition is switched on they only function when it starts.
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Dec 2, 2024 at 11:06 AM #17368
Thanks for the help so far Simon.
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Dec 2, 2024 at 6:49 PM #17563
Get a multimeter & tbh most checks are dead simple there’s most likely a manual on this site for the bike but most coils etc are a pretty standard resistance, check all the connectors you can find & by that unplug clean with contact cleaner spray cheap & easy to do, the fact the bike went for a test ride etc & was ok says it’s most likely something really simple.
It’s very difficult to diagnose over writing & not seeing the bike or knowing the ability of the owner regarding mechanical knowledge (I don’t mean this in any derogatory terms)
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Dec 2, 2024 at 10:51 PM #17617
I’ve been messaging a mechanic that works on these bikes. He can’t give me any information. He said that he can fix it for 5-6 hours labour.🤷
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Dec 3, 2024 at 5:22 AM #17800
Ok so checked al the connections and still the same. I found out how to manually put a code on the dash. I get a C with a line above it.
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Dec 3, 2024 at 5:23 AM #17802
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Dec 3, 2024 at 8:25 AM #17830
C means no fault,
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Dec 3, 2024 at 12:11 PM #17856
Yeah righto, I’ve ordered another fuel pump. Maybe running out of puff. I also to a bloke that works on these bikes. He reckons it is a fuel problem.
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Dec 3, 2024 at 8:12 PM #17866
Keep us posted, Simon knows his EFi babies inside and out lol, so follow what he says!
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Dec 3, 2024 at 8:30 PM #17869
Yes I definitely will
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Dec 4, 2024 at 2:46 AM #17873
Good morning all, so we have been checking the fuel pump. Open the fuel cap and put my ear on it. It will buzz normal and revs pick up. Then it cuts in and out when the muffler spits and carries on.
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Dec 4, 2024 at 1:23 PM #17874
Could well be the fuel pump relay
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Dec 4, 2024 at 1:44 PM #17876
I tried switching it from another one. Still the same. Could it be the pump?
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Dec 4, 2024 at 1:56 PM #17877
You can hear the relay click one when the ignition is turned on.
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Dec 4, 2024 at 11:43 PM #17881
A healthy fuel pump will always make a “whirring” sound as it stays continously on until you switch the bike off. Even as you turn the key on it makes that “whirr” sound.
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Dec 5, 2024 at 3:11 AM #17883
Thanks Marcel,that’s what I thought. So definitely a pump on the way out hey? I want to thank you guys for your help.
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Dec 18, 2024 at 2:27 AM #17990
I thought I would let you all know. We put the new fuel pump in and it is exactly the same.
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Dec 18, 2024 at 3:03 AM #17991
Also after trying to start it, maybe 1/2 a dozen times. It sounds like the battery is getting flat. It is on 12.94. This is new as it did this the tachometer was on 6k. Turn off and on then 4K. The 2k then back to zero. When I turn on the ignition it goes from 12.94 then drops over a volt without trying to start it.
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Dec 18, 2024 at 3:02 PM #17992
Hmmm, fully charge the battery (with a bike charger instead of a car version due to excessive current damage)
Get fresh CR8E plugs , connect them to the HT caps , place them on the “unpainted” part of the engine such as a valve cover bolt, see how good the sparks are ? Incase its not sparking strong enough to start ?
Also these stop sparks = Clutch Handlebar Switch (not recommended to bypass), Stand Switch (if bypassed check contacts again) , Neutral Switch stays “Green” on the dashboard
Also , this sounds stupid, do you hear the fuel pump priming when the key turns on?
Using the “Share Link or Get Public Link” option from either: OneDrive, GoogleDrive, Youtube (upload as UNLISTED!) , DailyMotion or other source to upload some video.
Paste it on the forum here, so we can watch what’s going on ? – Ideally stand on the left side of the bike (where the pump is, so the mic can pick up its priming noise)
But , do #1 & #2 before getting to the end of my comment.
Ps. test your stator & tell us the readings (service manual on this forum) , or if its suspicious, the bike won’t start without a good stator, it is the 1st thing it checks.
ECU primes fuel pump (unless its faulty or some other sensor in the bike is faulty , that means spending a lot of time with service manual to test every electric part you can find with a pocket meter) => Start Button is pressed => Solenoid Clicks to spin the starter motor => Stator Gets flywheel speed & pulses back to ECU => ECU, now does it’s magic to try start the bike assuming all sensors connected to it are saying “We’re good to go” or “not responding / poor response = Error Code / ECU shuts off ignition… This is just a simplistic way i can describe the process but the service manual ofcourse has way more detail in how their EFi system works
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Dec 19, 2024 at 8:44 AM #18008
Thanks that will keep me from getting bored 😂. Ok the fuel pump does prime but will do a video. When it runs and I put my ear over the fuel cap I can hear the pump. As it was missing and popping you can hear the pump playing up. Then it buzzes smooth and the engine is smooth for a few seconds. I put a new pump in and still the same. A new problem. The ignition solenoid is cactus. It was clicking when trying to start it. Now nothing, it won’t wind over.
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Dec 19, 2024 at 5:56 PM #18011
The starting solenoid may be shot up. Replacement time.
Though, not uncommon but it happens, investigate the starter motor itself. (Remove from engine, place on floor , get jump leads, put the bike battery on the floor)
I say this , as you may get sparks flying and wear gloves , do it away from the bike itself. You will know if the starter motor is healthy and spinning strong.If you press start on the bike itself , and the engine makes a “big thud” sound at the crank ==> check your sprag clutch (behind the flywheel itself , but i hope not, as its means more work removing the flywheel!)
Good luck and try to take a break so you can enjoy your holidays and return to her with a renewed mind 😉
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Dec 20, 2024 at 12:48 AM #18012
Ok she runs again. It runs perfectly when cold for 10-15 seconds, then stirs and farts. I will get a few recordings of it for you.
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Dec 20, 2024 at 2:06 AM #18018
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Dec 20, 2024 at 5:31 PM #18019
I had that before , it turned out that i had to sort out a few parts:
- Coils, Plugs, Caps in tandem
- The ECU wires had some oxidization, so had to clean up carefully and wait 24hrs to dry up
- Injectors just got replace (i couldn’t verify if they were faulty or not, but i just got new ones just to save future breakdowns, so new injectors advised!)
My last worry was the ECU itself but it would sometimes moan and say “Oxygen Sensor” (lambda sensors on pipe) , it would run sweet once i got brand new ones, despite trying a few used sets from other donors. The Daewoo ECU was frustrating to work with, Delphi ECU is a little better but it takes less nonsense! So much as a clutch switch fault ,it refuses to even crank.
though, keep an eye on the “idle speed control unit” , i can’t remember where but the manual mentions it.
Have a look at spark plugs (if they are brand new) , if they are wet = you have also possible stator problem if the coils aren’t sparking properly (they need the stator & ECU to time the sparks)
Glad to hear its alive!!! 😍
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Dec 20, 2024 at 10:49 PM #18023
I tested the coils last week. It has new cap things on the coils and I put the new plugs in. The stator and rectifier(mosfet) are new. Charging at 13.6. The spark is purple/blue colour. I can check it all again.
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Dec 21, 2024 at 2:18 AM #18024
Apparently I didn’t test the coils correctly. I test the small connectors and get 4.5 ohms. Then put one wire from the multimeter into the spark plug end and get a reading for a second and it goes off. Please tell me the coils are stuffed? I watched a video for testing a coil and the read doesn’t go out.
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Dec 22, 2024 at 12:04 AM #18029
I’ve tested the plug caps as well. Front 4.7 ohms and back is 6.2 ohms. I thought I should test them again. I don’t know if the reading coming from the spark plug lead should flash then go out?
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Dec 22, 2024 at 4:13 PM #18041
You got it! – If the coil is intermitent (haywire or chaotic) it will behave as your video did. I would replace the coils and try to use NGK leads and NGK caps (The OEM Caps are too problematic to reliably conclude the matter as resolved)
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Dec 22, 2024 at 4:13 PM #18042
If not , i would find a GOOD working OEM cap for now and use MAGNECOR HT wires alongside your new coils (replace both)
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Dec 22, 2024 at 5:30 PM #18045
Ok thank you, I will do that. Would you have a link to where I could buy the ones you recommend?
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Dec 22, 2024 at 6:21 PM #18046
I don’t know what your local stores are like in Australia , but browse the shop on this site and see if one of our coils matches your bike (Hyosung makes different ones based on ECU, ie. Delphi takes Delphi coils which we have started to list this week) , or an NGK wholeseller locally and show him a picture of the NGK caps we stock up , that’s if you are in a mega hurry
WhyGoStock does similar if you want to use a US source , i rarely mention other sources like HyoAU, HyoNZ , HyoEU etc as they are the same design , same scammer that loads of people have complained about.
Magnecor HT wires are common on Amazon UK, so it should on Amazon AU ?
If not send us an email if need anything from us.
Or , try a local salvage breaker and go to their bikes in the yard that may have 2nd NGK caps on them (just avoid plastic caps as they WILL crack), and possibly a Hyosung that has the same coils as you, take a meter with you and test their resistance if they allow it.
It’s the Xmas rush & new years, so things are a bit slow in UK even to ship stuff abroad ourselves, if you don’t mind the extra wait.
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